Comments on: New Media Forum and Chat with Bloggers http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/ thoughts & perspectives of a gay asian professional Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:27:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2 By: JermynToh http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-2413 JermynToh Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:59:35 +0000 http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/#comment-2413 <p>hmmm .... noted ... thanks for your frank feedback</p> hmmm …. noted … thanks for your frank feedback

]]> By: JermynToh http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-2412 JermynToh Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:58:28 +0000 http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/#comment-2412 <p>hmmm ... this line of reasoning is hard for me ... i trust my frens in real life and what they tell me ... how can i then doubt what they blog about?</p> <p>we really only have our "word" to trade on right? is our word <b>here</b> any less than our word in the non-internet world?</p> hmmm … this line of reasoning is hard for me … i trust my frens in real life and what they tell me … how can i then doubt what they blog about?

we really only have our “word” to trade on right? is our word here any less than our word in the non-internet world?

]]> By: JermynToh http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-2411 JermynToh Wed, 09 Apr 2008 06:51:27 +0000 http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/#comment-2411 <p>in my perspective, editorial pitching can be leveraged if you buy ads in a magazine or a newspaper but because the sales teams and the editorial teams are separate, you can never be assured how positive or negative the story is. plus the editorial teams never send of an article to be approved by clients before it gets published. at some times .... editorial teams review a product ... and the sales teams knowing there's a review will contact the brand and ask if they want to place ads</p> <p>also when the restaurants, hotels and luxury cruise ships invite reviewers on board ... they are fully prepared for these reviewers to cover them negatively if their level of service or food is not up to scratch. that whole process is one where you take all the efforts to ensure a positive experience is had by any and every customer </p> <p>reviewers are not bound to write a good review .... guess it comes with the territory and that's why people wine and dine reviewers hoping that'll make a difference.</p> <p>for me .... the case here is really down to someone ..... say one of us ..... being paid to write a review on a product and not letting our friends know that a post was paid for ... and process of getting that post up with communication with the people who paid for that post</p> in my perspective, editorial pitching can be leveraged if you buy ads in a magazine or a newspaper but because the sales teams and the editorial teams are separate, you can never be assured how positive or negative the story is. plus the editorial teams never send of an article to be approved by clients before it gets published. at some times …. editorial teams review a product … and the sales teams knowing there’s a review will contact the brand and ask if they want to place ads

also when the restaurants, hotels and luxury cruise ships invite reviewers on board … they are fully prepared for these reviewers to cover them negatively if their level of service or food is not up to scratch. that whole process is one where you take all the efforts to ensure a positive experience is had by any and every customer

reviewers are not bound to write a good review …. guess it comes with the territory and that’s why people wine and dine reviewers hoping that’ll make a difference.

for me …. the case here is really down to someone ….. say one of us ….. being paid to write a review on a product and not letting our friends know that a post was paid for … and process of getting that post up with communication with the people who paid for that post

]]> By: fey_as_hell http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-2410 fey_as_hell Wed, 09 Apr 2008 03:07:58 +0000 http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/#comment-2410 <p>I think we should always take everything we read with a *pinch of salt*.</p> <p>Pictures can be D-I(ed),<br /> Videos can be altered,<br /> 'Honest' articles can be written by paid writers,<br /> Letters in the forum columns of newspapers can be written by PSC Overseas Scholars on Govt Grant with an ambitious agenda...</p> <p>I can't expect 100% authentic reporting or coverage by Citizen Journalists...</p> <p>In the words of Sexy Duchovny ...</p> <p>TRUST NO ONE.</p> I think we should always take everything we read with a *pinch of salt*.

Pictures can be D-I(ed),
Videos can be altered,
‘Honest’ articles can be written by paid writers,
Letters in the forum columns of newspapers can be written by PSC Overseas Scholars on Govt Grant with an ambitious agenda…

I can’t expect 100% authentic reporting or coverage by Citizen Journalists…

In the words of Sexy Duchovny …

TRUST NO ONE.

]]> By: zenhiao http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-2409 zenhiao Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:42:21 +0000 http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/#comment-2409 <p>taking money is one thing and giving editorial oversight is another.<br /> i can't help noticing in quite well respected magazines not to mention in our local press and media that adverts for the same product or service will appear right next to the editorial review. so yes the review appeared and yes they took money from advertisers. but it is quite obvious. what is invisible is whether the advertisers could edit or amend anything the reviewer had to say or the reviewer may have practiced self censorship with the view to being attractive to the advertisers. most respectable mags would rather die than admit their editorial integrity was compromised. (notice i use the word ADMIT. we just have to take their word for it that it isn't. and as long as the ads sit there you have to wonder.)</p> <p>then again giving money outright is one thing but what about a free meal, movie or stay at a glamorous resort?</p> <p>there are those who insist on anonymity and on paying their own way in restaurants while there are others who blatantly announce who they are and DEMAND the restaurant to pick up the tab OR ELSE. (yes, one popular, if not respected, website does this!)</p> <p>i have not met a single (paid) movie reviewer in singapore who pays to watch the movies being reviewed.</p> <p>and i don't think there are many magazines with large enough budgets to pay for their reviewers to go on a luxury cruise or stay at a luxury resort in order to review them. again the more scrupulous will acknowledge that the trip was paid for by the host so readers can draw their own conclusions, but by no means is this a standard practice.</p> taking money is one thing and giving editorial oversight is another.
i can’t help noticing in quite well respected magazines not to mention in our local press and media that adverts for the same product or service will appear right next to the editorial review. so yes the review appeared and yes they took money from advertisers. but it is quite obvious. what is invisible is whether the advertisers could edit or amend anything the reviewer had to say or the reviewer may have practiced self censorship with the view to being attractive to the advertisers. most respectable mags would rather die than admit their editorial integrity was compromised. (notice i use the word ADMIT. we just have to take their word for it that it isn’t. and as long as the ads sit there you have to wonder.)

then again giving money outright is one thing but what about a free meal, movie or stay at a glamorous resort?

there are those who insist on anonymity and on paying their own way in restaurants while there are others who blatantly announce who they are and DEMAND the restaurant to pick up the tab OR ELSE. (yes, one popular, if not respected, website does this!)

i have not met a single (paid) movie reviewer in singapore who pays to watch the movies being reviewed.

and i don’t think there are many magazines with large enough budgets to pay for their reviewers to go on a luxury cruise or stay at a luxury resort in order to review them. again the more scrupulous will acknowledge that the trip was paid for by the host so readers can draw their own conclusions, but by no means is this a standard practice.

]]> By: sorrie_bluez http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-2408 sorrie_bluez Wed, 09 Apr 2008 01:17:39 +0000 http://jermyntoh.com/2008/04/09/new-media-forum-and-chat-with-bloggers/#comment-2408 <p>well, i'll definitely let my readers know, though might not be in the same post, if i'm being paid to advertise something..</p> <p>but in the first place, i might not even take up the role of an advertisor,<br /> unless i have total freedom over how i'm going to write the review,<br /> ie without the vetting & all, just pure me.</p> <p>:)</p> well, i’ll definitely let my readers know, though might not be in the same post, if i’m being paid to advertise something..

but in the first place, i might not even take up the role of an advertisor,
unless i have total freedom over how i’m going to write the review,
ie without the vetting & all, just pure me.

:)

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